I think you are over the target...I have read a few accounts regarding Kinesis holders looking to move their metals out of the accounts they set up, only to be jawboned into staying put. One of the accounts forced the issue and had the metals moved...but only after they were forced to liquidate them. I have no dog in this fight, but am unnerved by the fact you post this one articles and the shills for this group are out en masse...not just in your comments but on Twitter too...and its only been a couple days.
The two accounts I read about regarding Kinesis were both on the WSS Reddit thread. I don't recall exactly when it was...but the one account went into a lot of detail, breaking down the series of events as it was happening. That was my first time hearing of Kinesis. The second event was a little later, same forum.
Here is another one of Tom Coughlin's tweets to you.
Tom Coughlin
@TomCoughlin16
Replying to
@cryptoinformer0 @profitsplusid and @quella_ama
Hello Crypto Misinformer, you've slung a lot of disingenuous digital mud. If you would like to be relevant then please accept my offer for a live AMA. Come out from hiding and let's get both our reputations on the line. What do you have to hide? Let's do this!
So why not do it? Why wouldn't someone want to do it. Roast Tom Coughlin by the fire. Why would any disinterested truthfinder not want to slug it out? I suppose they might be shy. Someone who had a dog in the fight, say being paid or part of a rival outfit would obviously want to stay anonymous of course.
Tom should be busy fixing all the "errors" he says are on his website and holding an open AMA for his investors. Instead he's trying to create a circus to distract. You can have a circus, but we won't help.
By not agreeing to an open discourse, you have pretty much done a hit and run...which shouldn't be the case...especially with the accusations you leveled at them.
My first knowledge of Kinesis was via those two posts on Reddit. It left a bad taste in my mouth, from which I have yet to change my mind. I am willing to hear the other side...given that much has changed since those two posts and the wealth of information that has been made public.
Why not engage? I think you owe it to them...my opinion only.
Some guy from Kinesis was asking about a couple posts I mentioned in my response about Kinesis making it hard for the account holder to take delivery of their metals...just following up to see if he found the threads...
Wow, my timing is still perfect. Just sell any stock right when I buy it and you will do great! I fairly recently bought into Kinesis (KVT/KAU) and then just found your analysis (should have joined reddit sooner). See, my perfect timing again! I thought I had done DD but your expertise in several areas is impressive and much better than mine.
I guess I could hold on for a flyer (was not the plan and would probably reduce my holdings) but what do you think they are up to? Options I see are, trying to scam entire countries (although I see that as a less than optimal concept) or (and this is were I was caught out it seems) investing in a long scam to catch as many small fish in the net as they can before rug pull. If it is the second one then I have time as based on your analysis they have a long way to go.
Any help is appreciated, keeping it simple for me, considering all that you have found out, probably more than you have shared, bottom line, a) what do you think the Kinesis plan is and b) do you see any way to profitably participate?
My comment you reference is regarding my trying to understand what scenarios you considered were in play as you have found many more reasons to be skeptical than I did. So just my thinking out loud while processing a flood of perspective from you.
Regarding a country level scam, I said, (I see that as a less than optimal concept), so no I don't think that is what is going on, and question to you was "what do you think the Kinesis plan is?", as they are clearly doing something on a large scale that had made sense to me and things seemed "okayish" except for a long start uptime, at least before you raised questions.
I'll take back the question about how to participate as rightfully that is my question to answer for myself, as I already did, but now you have me rethinking.
Not to waste your time with dumb questions, but I don't know of anyone who has put more effort into researching Kinesis than you.
Kinesis has provided a lot of information. You have provided a lot of observations and analysis. Netting it out, it seems it comes down to;
- believe in the plan or not;
- believe in their execution or not (are they too incompetent to achieve the goal);
- and is the motive as stated or is their goal other than as stated?
These are all judgment calls, and your experience level makes me interested in your perspective. (I will not take your reply as financial advice:-)
I think you are over the target...I have read a few accounts regarding Kinesis holders looking to move their metals out of the accounts they set up, only to be jawboned into staying put. One of the accounts forced the issue and had the metals moved...but only after they were forced to liquidate them. I have no dog in this fight, but am unnerved by the fact you post this one articles and the shills for this group are out en masse...not just in your comments but on Twitter too...and its only been a couple days.
I am part of the Kinesis community - we don't know who Musk is. I see he got banned for being a troll. Ironic.
I am interested in these Kinesis holders who are looking to move their metal. Where can I read these accounts?
The two accounts I read about regarding Kinesis were both on the WSS Reddit thread. I don't recall exactly when it was...but the one account went into a lot of detail, breaking down the series of events as it was happening. That was my first time hearing of Kinesis. The second event was a little later, same forum.
Imagine that, there might be some trolls outside of your community too!
I see Tom Coughlin has personally offered you that live and public AMA again.
https://twitter.com/TomCoughlin16/status/1621007293977608194
I'm looking at Twitter. I see you told Tom there that
"Your website has been discredited 🤣"
How so? Seems pretty fine to me. It is run and actually hosted by one of the Kinesis community.
Did you discredit the forum?
What's with the laughing face?
The website contains false statements about audits and according to the CEO himself also about who the parent company of Kinesis is.
Here is another one of Tom Coughlin's tweets to you.
Tom Coughlin
@TomCoughlin16
Replying to
@cryptoinformer0 @profitsplusid and @quella_ama
Hello Crypto Misinformer, you've slung a lot of disingenuous digital mud. If you would like to be relevant then please accept my offer for a live AMA. Come out from hiding and let's get both our reputations on the line. What do you have to hide? Let's do this!
So why not do it? Why wouldn't someone want to do it. Roast Tom Coughlin by the fire. Why would any disinterested truthfinder not want to slug it out? I suppose they might be shy. Someone who had a dog in the fight, say being paid or part of a rival outfit would obviously want to stay anonymous of course.
Tom should be busy fixing all the "errors" he says are on his website and holding an open AMA for his investors. Instead he's trying to create a circus to distract. You can have a circus, but we won't help.
By not agreeing to an open discourse, you have pretty much done a hit and run...which shouldn't be the case...especially with the accusations you leveled at them.
My first knowledge of Kinesis was via those two posts on Reddit. It left a bad taste in my mouth, from which I have yet to change my mind. I am willing to hear the other side...given that much has changed since those two posts and the wealth of information that has been made public.
Why not engage? I think you owe it to them...my opinion only.
Where you able to locate those threads on WSS? I looked, but did not find them. I have since deleted my account. The site was a waste of time.
What threads on WSS?
Some guy from Kinesis was asking about a couple posts I mentioned in my response about Kinesis making it hard for the account holder to take delivery of their metals...just following up to see if he found the threads...
Well that sounds like a BS story - I know a number of people who have taken delivery of metal - gold and silver.
Wow, my timing is still perfect. Just sell any stock right when I buy it and you will do great! I fairly recently bought into Kinesis (KVT/KAU) and then just found your analysis (should have joined reddit sooner). See, my perfect timing again! I thought I had done DD but your expertise in several areas is impressive and much better than mine.
I guess I could hold on for a flyer (was not the plan and would probably reduce my holdings) but what do you think they are up to? Options I see are, trying to scam entire countries (although I see that as a less than optimal concept) or (and this is were I was caught out it seems) investing in a long scam to catch as many small fish in the net as they can before rug pull. If it is the second one then I have time as based on your analysis they have a long way to go.
Any help is appreciated, keeping it simple for me, considering all that you have found out, probably more than you have shared, bottom line, a) what do you think the Kinesis plan is and b) do you see any way to profitably participate?
Are you asking for advice on how to "profitably participate" in something you believe is "trying to scam entire countries"?
My comment you reference is regarding my trying to understand what scenarios you considered were in play as you have found many more reasons to be skeptical than I did. So just my thinking out loud while processing a flood of perspective from you.
Regarding a country level scam, I said, (I see that as a less than optimal concept), so no I don't think that is what is going on, and question to you was "what do you think the Kinesis plan is?", as they are clearly doing something on a large scale that had made sense to me and things seemed "okayish" except for a long start uptime, at least before you raised questions.
I'll take back the question about how to participate as rightfully that is my question to answer for myself, as I already did, but now you have me rethinking.
Not to waste your time with dumb questions, but I don't know of anyone who has put more effort into researching Kinesis than you.
Kinesis has provided a lot of information. You have provided a lot of observations and analysis. Netting it out, it seems it comes down to;
- believe in the plan or not;
- believe in their execution or not (are they too incompetent to achieve the goal);
- and is the motive as stated or is their goal other than as stated?
These are all judgment calls, and your experience level makes me interested in your perspective. (I will not take your reply as financial advice:-)
Thanks
Speaking to Kinesis motivations and their plan would be total speculation.
Stop being a disingenuous troll.